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Former KR
Intellectual Expresses Contrition
The
first time Mey Mann met a pleasant fellow named Saloth Sar was
during a one-month
boat trip in 1949, when the two were headÂed to
France as winners of a scholarship to study abroad.
In
France, while Mey Mann was studying to be a construction engineer
and Saloth Sar was purÂsuing a degree in radio electricity, the two
became involved in the
communist
movement. It was a heady time as they both were swept up in the
fight to liberate their country.
Looking
back at those times, Mey Mann, now 80, says he never should have
gotten involved with Saloth Sar, later known by his revÂolutionary
name Pol Pot. And he never should have joined the movement that
became the Khmer Rouge, blamed for the deaths of more than 1 million
Cambodians.
"I
regret very much what I did; Mey Mann said Sunday during at
interview at his son's Phnom Penh home. "I joined the movement
because I thought something good would come out of it. Bu finally,
it turned bad and now nr name is connected to a bad thing." Mey
Mann, who lives in Battambang, never held a high position in the
Khmer Rouge regime spending the 19779 years as ; farmer in Prey Veng
and Battambang
provinces.
It
was only in 1980 that he held a position in Democratic Kampuchea, as
second deputy director of the Cambodian Red Cross, which was headed
by Ieng Thirith, the wife of former Khmer Rouge Foreign Minister
leng Sary. In 1985, he joined the Site 8 refugee camp along the Thai
border.
Most of Mey Mann's work for the Khmer Rouge came before the
revolutionaries took power in 1975.
In
his five years in France, Mey Mann was part of the circle of
Cambodian stuÂdents that produced some of the leaders of the Khmer
Rouge, including Ieng Sary. Mey Mann said he saw Pol Pot only a few
times a year in France at communist meetings.
"He was very gentle, very friendly and fair, "Mey Mann
said of Pol Pot. "But at
that time, I didn't think he would beÂcome the leader because there
were others who were more active than him."
Pol
Pot was the first of the stuÂdents to return to Cambodia, in 1953,
and was given the task of analyzing the various movements that were
established to fight for independence.
This
included the Vietminh in the Indochinese Communist Party-comprised
of CambodÂians, Vietnamese and Laotians and the Vietminh-backed
Khmer Issarak Association, according to Mey Mann.
"Finally
Pol Pot chose the Vietmint " Mey Mann said. "When I
came
back to Phnom Penh, seven other students and I decidÂed to follow
Pol Pot."
Mey
Mann went to Prey Veng's Kamchay Mear district where the Vietminh
base was loÂcated. Pol Pot and Tou Samouth, who became party
secretary of Khmer Issarak in 1960, were also at the base. But there
was little to do as the Vietnamese communists did most of the work,
and Mey Mann returned to Phnom Penh a few months later.
After
Cambodia won indepenÂdence in 1954 with the Geneva a
Vietnamese cadre who became the first Vietnamese ambassador to
Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge regime. In his public life, Mey Mann
worked in a factory and in secret, he worked on communist
propaÂganda and rallied the people, telling them to go to the
jungle to liberate Cambodia. He sent mediÂcine, maps and
correspondences to resistance forces in the jungle, while Pol Pot
hid Vietnamese cadre in Cambodia-a marked difference in Pol Pot's
later attiÂtude toward the Vietnamese. Pol Pot eventually became
paranoid about a Vietnamese invasion, which later led to the long
years of fighting between the Khmer Rouge and Vietnamese troops.
"I
didn't like what Pol Pot was doing because the Vietnamese were
illegal immigrants." Mey Mann
said.
"And I
don't know why Pol
Pot ended up
hating the Viet
names so much after he helped
them. Maybe he saw
things he
didn't like when he
worked with
the Vietminh.
"When Mey Mann saw his work culminate in the April 1975 victory
of the Khmer Rouge, he was rewarded by being forced to leave Phnom
Penh along with the rest of the city's population. "I worked
for them for a long time, but in the end, they kicked us out,"
he said "Then many of my friends were killed, and my three sons
were killed. Mey Mann and his nine children were moved first to Prey
Veng. In 1977, his family was "moved
to Battambang, where his sons were killed.
"I
always heard people crying and imploring someone not to kill
them," Mey Mann said.
As
the fighting between the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge intensified, Mey
Mann moved in 1978 to Malai, which was to become a Khmer Rouge
strongÂhold after the Vietnamese ousted the Cambodian cadre in
1979.
In
1980, Mey Mann became a Cambodian Red Cross official and was the
Democratic KampuÂchea representative to the UN Educational,
Scientific and CultÂural Organization. He saw Pol Pot once a year
for meetings until 1983.
In
that year, Pol Pot asked Mey Mann what he saw during his years in
the countryside during the Khmer Rouge rule and what mistakes were
made during that period.
"I
told him that we had two major mistakes," Mey Mann said.
"One was we had a principle that we wanted all people to be
clean and pure in the same way. Our second mistake was we develÂoped
too fast, and that's why the Khmer Rouge had to flee
to the border.
"Poi
Pot said nothing and just smiled, but I think he was angry,"
Mey Mann said. "I didn't talk to Pol Pot again after that
"When Mey Mann joined the refugee camp, he disassociated
himself from the Khmer Rouge. After the 1991 Paris Peace AcÂcords,
Mey Mann began working
for Untac, translating Khmer into French. In 1995, he worked for a
few months as a secretary in the French embassy.
In
1998, he was asked to rejoin his former cadre members as the UN
human rights representative in the former Khmer Rouge stronghold of
Pailin, where he worked for two years before retirÂing.
Despite
his years helping the Khmer Rouge, Mey Mann beÂlieves there should
be a tribunal to try his former leaders. He also thinks the scope of
the trial should be extended to cover the 1970 to 1975 period and
1979 to the present, when
many people were
killed.
"Me
court should not only by Khmer Rouge leaders, but they should also
find out who else among the local authorities did the killing,"
Mey Mann said. "Many people who
worked in the
cooperatives still live in Phnom Penh freely, and they killed a log
of people."
On
many occasions, Me5 Mann said he tried to understand why the Khmer
Rouge ha( turned to the killing fields. He asked Ieng Sary and Khmer
Rouge leader Nuon Chea man, times when Pol Pot had changed when
Saloth Sar turned into the leader of a murderous regime but he never
got a clear answer.
"Nobody
knows. I don't know why it happened like that, why they tried the
extreme way," Me Mann said.
"When
we were students, w thought in a good way and did everything step by
step. I don know which year Pol Pc changed his attitude.
"Maybe
Pol Pot wanted to follow China and be strict like that He was too
biased to China and needed support from the because he hated
Vietnam," 1 said.
"But
Pol Pot forgot that Cambodia has only 10 million ( people. If China
goes the tout way and kills 100 people, they have many more people
so doesn't have a big affect. But here, that's a killing.
BY
GINA CHON
AND
THET SAMBATH
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